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Jerick Ludhowe
JLT corp
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Posted - 2013.05.14 00:57:00 -
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I strongly suggest swapping the "roles" of the navy domi and navy mega. The navy domi has a far better slot layout to take advantage of the "attack" role, the nevy mega, not so much. I'd go ahead and swap the hp and mobility values. |
Jerick Ludhowe
JLT corp
448
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Posted - 2013.05.14 11:35:00 -
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Typhoon needs a nerf to it's weapon bonuses. two 7.5% bonuses (one being rof lol?) is a bit silly... If a damage bonus for projectiles is "madatory" then drop it to 5% damage per level, 7.5% rof is beyond moronic, sorry. |
Jerick Ludhowe
JLT corp
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Posted - 2013.05.14 11:59:00 -
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Navy geddon
"Drones (bandwidth / bay): 125 / 375(+200)"
Why? |
Jerick Ludhowe
JLT corp
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Posted - 2013.05.14 12:28:00 -
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Bereza Mia wrote:
Don't forget Typhoon FI have 8.25 launchers AND 2 additional high slots (for example plus ~139 dps with T2 800 autocannons without gyros ).
and the phoon has 50m3 more bandwidth, a butt load more bay, and is faster...
all in all, the phoon is obviously the better ship of the two.
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Jerick Ludhowe
JLT corp
448
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Posted - 2013.05.14 13:58:00 -
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MinutemanKirk wrote: The whole reason why I'm upset the suggested navy mega is because there is such little difference from it's T1 counterpart.
50m3 more bandwidth, 2 flights of lights, a heavy nuet, and a bunch more ehp is little difference?
come now... I don't think you're really being objective here...
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Jerick Ludhowe
JLT corp
448
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Posted - 2013.05.14 14:16:00 -
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MinutemanKirk wrote:Jerick Ludhowe wrote:Navy geddon
"Drones (bandwidth / bay): 125 / 375(+200)"
Why? If 50 m3 bandwidth is such an improvement, how come you asking why on the geddon and not simply rejoicing at such a clearly huge buff? Again though, it's not JUST that the difference is so little, it's the additional cost. When in demand, 400 extra mil is almost an additional plex, and I can't believe that you would think those small differences would be worth that much more. If almost the cost of my subscription for not a lot of gain isn't "objective" enough I guess I don't know what is.
I was asking "why?" because it's a non needed buff... also, the geddon is not receiving any increase in bandwidth so I'm a bit confused by your points here...
As for the price increase... The % increase is right about where all other navy ships are and the increase in performance is more or less on point as well... The navy mega will be better than it is today and it is already a rather popular Navy BS as is. I don't really see the issue here.
As for you not being objective, you weren't. You were making a "comparison" and ignoring pretty much all the improvements over the baseline hull. More ehp is a buff, another high for a nuet is a buff, over 100 more drone dps + 50m3 in utility drones is a buff. I'm having a bit of trouble understanding how you're having an issue seeing this. |
Jerick Ludhowe
JLT corp
448
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Posted - 2013.05.16 11:04:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:
Phoon: 8.25 effective launchers
CNR: 8 effective launchers
The CNR has two damage application bonuses; missile velocity and explosion radius.
I don't think that "overwhelm" is the appropriate verb for doing 33/32 = 3.12% more raw DPS.
In fact I'm going to go right ahead and say that the CNR (and ipso facto the Golem) is a significantly superior missile platform to the Fleet Phoon.
Bad comparison man, just bad...
You're simply looking at the two ships in terms of missiles only. While this is a reasonable way to look at the cnr as that's pretty much all it is, the fleet phoon on the other hand has 2 free highs for nuets/turrets, as well as a much much larger drone bay...
Liang's original assessment is correct, the fleet Phoon is the superior ship outside of very specific situations.
P.S. CSM's should probably be a bit more objective in comparisons... Just saying.... |
Jerick Ludhowe
JLT corp
448
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Posted - 2013.05.16 11:07:00 -
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Templar Dane wrote:
Discounting the full flight of sentries?
I know right? It's very easy to "prove" a point when you ignor massive justified arguments coming from the other side...
Ships need to be compared in a far more objective manner Malcanis, you're simply comparing half of the fleet phoon to the whole of the CNR... Bad, just bad.
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Jerick Ludhowe
JLT corp
448
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Posted - 2013.05.16 11:18:00 -
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Johnson Oramara wrote:
How about you look at the ships as a whole, now that you finally admit that TFI does more missile dps then look at it's drone bay, those 2 free highslots which you know, are projectile bonused.
With the ships fitted the TFI will overwhelm the CNR in dps.
Don't forget that those projectiles get an extremely overpowered 7.5% rof per level... Why? Only bad balance devs know.
Fleet Phoon needs a nerf (change projectile rof from 7.5% to 5% as well as nerfing it back down to a 5/5 turret launcher layout), CNR needs like 30 more cpu, SFI needs? I don't even know, some kind of severe nerfing. |
Jerick Ludhowe
JLT corp
448
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Posted - 2013.05.16 11:49:00 -
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Donedy wrote:Also im not convinced at all with the tempest. Even his description is not fitting with the reality (Im referring to his "unsual speed and agility")
In all fairness, pretty much every single ship description in the game needs a re-write...
They are all pretty much uninformative, unimaginative, and often flat out wrong. A modest amount of time put into these descriptions would result in longer, more well thought out, and far more detailed descriptions which coincide perfectly to how the ship is used. All in all, far better ship descriptions would be a very welcome change...
an example of how ship descriptions could be changed.
1. Date of design/introduction
2. Company/Persons who designed it.
3. Overall Design goal of the ship.
4. Some kind of short story linked with a date of a battle highlighting the ships strengths.
5. Overall Consistency in the manner in which ship descriptions appear. |
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Jerick Ludhowe
JLT corp
448
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Posted - 2013.05.16 11:53:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:
I specifically said "missile platform".
So we should all just discredit half of the ship so that the argument supports your initial statement?
Come now dude... Lets be objective...
You're ignoring 2 turret/nuets slots as well as a full sized drone bay which can be very easily be used for sentries in missions/pvp or other drones (like 5 heavies) in smaller scale closer range pvp.
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Jerick Ludhowe
JLT corp
448
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Posted - 2013.05.17 12:11:00 -
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Soo... Pretty much looks like Tempest fleet issues needs a buff and the scorpion navy issues and Phoon fleet issue need nerfs... Other than that, most things look pretty good. The extra +200 Drone bay on the geddon needs to be removed asap tho, makes no ******* sense at all... There is really no point in flying a navy mega with the navy geddon the way it is now. |
Jerick Ludhowe
JLT corp
448
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Posted - 2013.05.17 12:19:00 -
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Jonas Sukarala wrote:
well theres no reason to nerf the dronebay all the way maybe the same bay as the Hype has.
Oh and there is no point in flying the navy mega anyway with the navy domi about and for a little more isk a vindi or kronos.
The navy mega is just too similar to too many ships it needs a USP.
I'd be all for the navy geddon losing it's +200 and getting the 175 m3 it use to have. As for there being no point in the mega because of the domi? That one I simply do not get, domi has very minimal turret dps, mega on the other hand has the highest turret dps of the bunch So I don't really see how the two are comparable outside of overly simplified eft dps values.
About the kronos or vindi costing a "little" more isk than a navy mega... That just flat out wrong. Navy mega is around 450m, kronos and vindi are well over 1b. I'd call that quite a bit more.
Overall What I'd like to see for the navy mega is a swap in "role" with the navy domi. The nmega should be the combat one imo and the navy domi the attack. The domi has a better slot layout for a "fast" bs anyway, the navy mega is just going to stack 2-3 plates +3x trimarks and lose any mobility advantage it had over the others.
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Jerick Ludhowe
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Posted - 2013.06.05 13:37:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:
So the Fleet Phoon is <<<< the fleet pest?
/facepalm Malcanis is going full ****** again, call the police.
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